What a surprise! the pats have been using spygate since the year 2000! wow...so that means NONE of their 3 rings came from skill,but were earned from cheating!!!..........so what do u cheatriot fans think of this????? and what do true american football fans think about this horrible display of a franchise......

       

I'm just busy laughing my ass off at your obvious bias and your idiotic reasoning. I mean seriously dude, take a friggin step back and look at whats going on, do you not watch ESPN? Do you not listen to former players saying that stealing signs is the NORM in the league??

People like you, who have an agenda to take any and every shot at this great team that you can, make me sick to my friggin stomach. The only thing the Patriots did differently then the majority of the other teams is tape the signs, I don't believe it was said that they taped practices or any of that crap. So get off your high horse and look at your own team because chances are they steal signs as well.

As for the rings the team WON, they EARNED them and ARE the three time Champions. If you want to use this as an excuse to tarnish what they have done than you're more pathetic than I thought, and thats pretty bad dude.

I know Phuck the Pats is a little bias in his analysis of the current events. Notwithstanding, his statements are based off of an article that has been released by the Associated Press and used by the Chicago Sun-Times, Yahoo Sports, The New York Times and others.

This is the meat of the story:
"WASHINGTON (AP)—Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents’ defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots’ coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.

“There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over,” Specter said."

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What Belichick and the Patriots have been doing over several years may not be unique. Other teams may be doing the same. However, they have not been caught. So all this speculation in an attempt to justify the illegal taping by the Patriots has absolutely no merit. Unless you play for or on the staff any of the 31 other NFL teams and have proof of any other team illegally taping their opponents, please stop acting like you do. Additionally, please give me a link to some article of any kind in which a player or staff of any other team has stated that their team has been illegally taping their opponents if you wish to use such logic. If not, any comments which try to use this logic are invalid and will be ignored.

The big problem I have with the illegal taping by the Pats is that it has tainted the game of American football. Since 2000, Belichick has been engaged in the illegal taping of his opponents. So, how this affected the outcome of the 129 games that the Patriots played since Belichick started coaching and started illegally taping the Pat's opponents cannot be known. And that is exactly the point. How can I know what would have been the outcome of those games if the Pats had played honestly? And the affect of those games has a snowball effect. If the Pats would have lost a game if they had not had illegal film of their opponents and knew what plays they were defending, would the other team have made it into the playoffs instead of the Pats? The truth is, the cheating of the Patriots affects the entire league. Every team that was cheated out of a win by the Patriots was impacted by this. If they play 10 different teams throughout the season, that's ten different teams that might have gotten a win and some momentum. Anyone who watches football knows all about the effect of momentum. One win can change your team's outlook tremendously. Because a win builds confidence, in yourself, your teammates and your coach. That confidence can be the catalyst for your team rebounding from a two or three game losing streak and going on to win the next four or five games. That's the impact of being cheated one game. That impacts everything. It impacts every team that the Patriots cheated out of a win. Then, it impacts the next couple teams which played the team that got cheated by the Pats. For instance, in the 2003 regular season, the Patriots played the Miami Dolphins twice, and won twice. The loss of confidence and momentum may have then affected Miami in their next games, such as the game in December following the loss to the Patriots in which they lost to the Eagles. This all happened in the final games leading to the playoffs, and could have been a factor in whether the Dolphins went to the playoffs or not, since they ended the season tied with the Denver Broncos and lost out in the tiebreaker and missed the playoffs. BTW, I could really care less about the Dolphins, but since the Patriots play the Dolphins so much, they seemed like a good example.

The point is, the Patriots illegal taping of opponents can both directly and indirectly affect the outcome of games around the league, and as a result, it affects the playoffs. Not only does it affect the games the Pats play in the playoffs, but it also affects who makes it into the playoffs and who doesn't. This obviously leads into an affect on who makes it to the SuperBowl. Thus, the cheating of the Pats has a substancial negative impact on the NFL, and raises big questions in my mind about the legitimacy of the outcome of the last seven seasons and the Super Bowls which followed.

Truthfully, I enjoyed watching the Patriots beat the Rams in SB XXXVI. I enjoyed that win for the same reason I enjoyed this SB, because the underdog overcame incredible odds and won. But even the win against the Rams is coming into question because of Belichick's spying ways. All I have to say is, phuck you Bill Belichick. Thanks for ruining priceless moments of football by tainting them with the stench of your cheating. Thanks for helping to insert a question mark/asterisk into the results of the last seven seasons. Thanks for your contribution to the corruption of the game of football.

I can't help but wonder why so many people, including journalists, continue to say that the theft of signals and of other cheating practices are part of the game. Well, they are not supposed to be a part of the game. Why have some Americans lowered their standards so much? Its only part of the game if we say it is. Do you really enjoy knowing that your kids are hearing about topics like Barry Bonds juicing, the Patriots cheating, and all the other dishonorable activities that are going on? Do you tell them, its just part of the game? DO you want your kids to grow up and behave like that? Or go to school and instead of studying and learning to earn good grades, they cheat on tests. You can't cheat your way through life. If you don't care about cheating in football and call it part of the game, you can go join the thousands of other people who don't give a chit about integrity. Some people don't care if a team shaves points. They don't care if a coach of any sport who gambles on games he is involved in. Take for instance all those people who think Pete Rose should be inducted into the MLB HoF. But he only bet on his team to .....blah, blah, blah. Ya'll can go to Mexico, Canada or some other effing place, and use your God-given talent to bring them down and lower their standards.

For all the B.S. I hear from people about why doesn't Specter focus on real issues instead of this, I have but one answer. His constituents must care a lot about professional sports, since they have two pro football teams, one NBA team, two NHL teams, and loads of college teams to top it all off. Senator Spector has been in office since 1980 and is in his record-setting fifth term as U.S. Senator for Pennsylvania. He was listed as one of the top ten Senators in 2006 by Time magazine. So, he probably knows what he is doing. He is representing what his constituency finds important. In fact, most of the U.S. spends a notable amount of time watching, listening to, talking about, or writing about sports. So, I applaude him for asking the NFL to ensure that the integrity of the game is preserved. We may lack integrity in many other areas of our society, but at least we'll have integrity in sports.

So, there you have it. Like it or not, that is my opinion, which is based on many more reliable sources than most of the garble/blogs you find posted on the net. Rock on, and phuck off Belichick, stopping p1ssing on the NFL. Your coaching career is gonna end with a big asterisk right next to it, if you're not careful. Oops, it might already be too late. Good luck guy.

Hmmm Im idiotic,bias,and pathetic because your poor feelings are hurt???? Now when I post and u get offended when the truth comes out,doesnt that make YOU pathetic???....Well I rather enjoy hurting your poor feelings,and making you sick to your "friggin" stomach.DOUCHE! and also would like to inform you that yes YOU are the idiot!!!!! So when you catch one of your children smoking crack are you gonna argue the case that the 80yr old lady down the street MIGHT be doin it too?!! Are u stupid,simple or slow?? I pick choice D for all the above! You cheatriot fans get your panties all in a bunch when you hear the truth about your cheating,sorry ass,poor excuse,and disgrace to all of foot ball team! Dude you sound like an overbearing mother in which her "baby" could do NO wrong! "its those other kids that made my son do this".....SO PUT UP OR SHUT UP SOCCER MOM!!! THE CHEATRIOTS ARE THE ONLY CHEATERS!!!! DONT MAKE ACCUSATIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF OF! BY THE WAY....WE HAVE SOLID PROOF OF THE BELICHEAT AND THE CHEATRIOTS!!!! SO GRIT IT AND BARE IT!... and yes those rings they have are tarnished and should be stripped away! If you cant win off skill then you shouldnt play the game!!! They've earned nothin but poor excuse for football fans like yourself!... End of discussion LOSER!

           

Wow, you think it hurts my feelings because of the crap you spew? I mean seriously dude, put up some damn facts instead of attacking me for speaking the truth and not just my opinions like yourself.

If it's such a big deal what they did, and the rings should be "tarnished" because of the spygate bullcrap, then why did the Steelers Chairman Dan Rooney come out in support of the Patriots?? Answer that big guy, this is what he had to say on the whol eissue..

"We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a non-issue, in our opinion, they had no impact on the results of those games." - Dan Rooney, Steelers Chairman

And here are a few more quotes in support of the Patriots, heres one from a LB on the Steelers, James Farrior...

"They're probably not the only team that ever did that, If they did tape it, I'm mad that we didn't do it first. Everybody's trying to gain that little bit of a competitive edge. I wish our coaches would have thought of that first, so that we might have (more) championship rings." - James Farrior, Steelers LB

But wait, thats not all, heres one more quote from the NFL Commish hijmself regarding the competitive edge the Patriots got from the steeling of signs...

“I’d give it to you, and the same way I’ve said it from day one. This incident is now almost five or six months old and I think we’ve been very forthright in it, and I don’t believe it affected the outcome of any game. Coaches prepare for people being able to intercept their signals and they make modifications and changes. Andy Reid is a very smart coach and I’m sure he did the same.” - Roger Goodell, NFL Commishioner

So please, if you want to attack me and what I have to say, come at me with more than your idiotic personal attacks because that accomplishes nothing and makes you look like the pathetic scum that you are


The bottom line is the Patriots cheated, got cought, and have been punished accordingly. The Super Bowls they won are NOT tarnished, and they are still one of the best teams in the history of the NFL. Even Andy Reid said something about the irrelevance of the Patriots stealing signs, I couldn't find the quote but I will continue to look for it, but this just shows you how all of you Patriots haters with no lives have to grab on to anything you can to try and bring this franchise down. It's pathetic, but it's okay, because at the end of the day Patriot Nation has 3 rings to show for all the hard work.

I love your use of the quote from James Farrior. Absolutely classic. So, you think because Farrior would've been more than happy to cheat if that would give him more Super Bowl rings, that makes cheating justified? Wow! That's exactly what I am talking about. Americans lowering their standards instead of upholding what is important, like honesty and integrity. Its this type of attitude that contributes to how far we have fallen on an intentational scale. Come on, people. Stop trying to say that anyone who has an issue with this display of cheating is bias against the Patriots. Frankly, I am disgusted by that quote from Farrior, since he plays on my favorite team. If the Steelers were cheating like this, I would lose all respect for them. For me, its not about the Patriots, its about cheating in general. I don't care who does it. The youth of America already get bombarded with negative influences left and right. Now the NFL has to join in. Great, just great. Now kids can say 'cheating must be okay, they do it in the NFL all the time, and nobody really cares.' As long as this team or that team gets their championship, it don't matter how they did it, huh? The fact that so many people fail to see the ethical and moral issues with this situation truly saddens me.

I didn't say that cheating was okay, and I certainly don't think the Patriots should have done what they did as before I said that they got punished and deservedly so.


As for why I put the Farrior quote, because that's the mentality of the players in the NFL. I'm sorry that you don't like it, but it's just the way it is, you need to open your eyes and grow up because every team tries to get a competitive edge in any way they can, thats just the way it is. I want the problem solved as well, but you can't pile on all this horse shit on the Patriots because you just don't like them. The cheating they did was wrong but was minimal and didn't give them much of an advantage at all, and people have been stealing signs and shit for a loooooong time.

Jaws, or better known as Ron Jaworski, an ESPN reporter said that back when he was playing QB he had a game where they knew the signal for the blitz's the other team was going to call on defense. His backup QB would raise a red towel if it was a blitz, and Jaws would audible accordingly, so if you think what the Patriots did is such a sinful thing think again because it's been going on as long as the league has been around.


I'm NOT saying cheating is ok, or that it is acceptable, i'm saying that you can't lynch one team and leave everybody else alone. Some people are acting like what the Patriots did is a legendary awful thing, when in reality it's not that bad and there have been far far worse things by other teams. I don't know how you can fix the problem, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, coaches change up the signals and shit all the time to counter other teams from stealing the signs.

So please, get off your high horse and smarten up a bit

Ok G2N2R. We all get that you are a big Pats fan. Nearly every post you write on this site is an attempt to protect or praise the Pats. But you have no basis to accuse every person who has an issue with cheating as being a Pat hater. Sure the Patriots are the ones caught in the crosshairs right now. Who knows how this issue is going to play itself out. Who knows if some other team will be caught up in this as well. Not I.

However, you fail to see anything beyond your little Pats fan bubble. Cheating is a major issue. The Pats are the ones who have brought the issue of illegal taping of opponents to light. So, they end up being part of any discussion surrounding this type of cheating. Get over it.

Football is like a game of chess. One team makes a move and the other team tries to defend against that move. Sometimes the defense works and other times you get fooled. That's just the nature of the game. When you try to gain an advantage by taping the opposing team's sideline and finding out what plays they are calling, it is cheating. That would be like having a fan planted in the stands behind the opposing team with a sound amplifier, and then holding up a sign that says, they are going to throw a 5 yard slant to the middle, or they are running a play action pass. If a fan were to do this, the fan would get thrown out of the stadium and probably be banned. So, when a team is found to have illegally taped signals of the opposing team, they deserve to be punished. And when it comes out that a team has been taping the signals of other teams for several years and that they may have also taped the walkthrough of the opposing team before a super bowl, it should be investigated. If we are to continue to uphold what is right in America, issues such as these need to be fully investigated and dealt with. Ignoring these issues because the fans of the team involved feel like their team is being hated on is not an option. If it is concluded that there is no proof of any wrongdoing, then that is that. If it comes out that there is proof of wrongdoing, then find an appropriate way to punish the franchise involved and set an example for the other franchises in the league. Hopefully, the commissioner comes up with much more stringent guidelines which prohibits attempts to film or audio-record the opposing team's sideline in an way, shape or form, or to try to intercept the radio communications between the sideline and the QB. That would simplify this increasingly complex game we call football. No one could try and pull some excuse, like I didn't know I couldn't do that. If you are a coach in the NFL and don't know the rulebook inside and out, you don't belong in the NFL. Anyone who tries to play dumb, especially someone like 'mastermind' Belichick, is asking to be removed from the NFL. If any coach really thinks he can fool everybody by claiming ignorance, then he is the fool.

So, if you want to continue to peddle some b.s. about how I am on a high horse, then go ahead. I don't approve of cheating and would like any case where a team is being accused of cheating to be fully investigated and dealt with. If you want to continue to lower your standards so you don't have to face the facts, then that is on you. But no one else is gonna lower their standards just because you and a few other people believe that cheating should not be dealt with if it involves your team. That same kind of thinking is the only reason why the Cowboys have any fans left, because they have lowered their standards to accept the drug use and unsportsmanlike conduct of their team over the last 15 years. Good for the Pats, they have such loyal fans, but bad for the U.S. because the people of Boston don't give a crap about standards or integrity. Hopefully this can remain confined to Boston, and the other bandwagon Pats fans can wake up, jump off the bandwagon, and stand up for honest football.

lol, this is completely ridiculous. People cannot stand to see a good team when their team is horrible. It's truly sad how angry people can get over a football game. Listen, the patriots are damn, good, all there is to it.